tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post6566362466114641575..comments2024-01-07T03:29:03.439-05:00Comments on Like a warm cup of coffee: Reclaiming Your Life - Let's Talk FeminismSarah Maehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15079648125245754566noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-68799423257219250842009-06-06T10:35:59.151-04:002009-06-06T10:35:59.151-04:00hopeful spirit - you offer an interesting twist t...hopeful spirit - you offer an interesting twist to this discussion and i quite like it. :) i read the article you linked to and thought it very appropriate.<br /><br />the real key to this discussion is how we define feminism. i might be for or against the idea of feminism depending on the definition in context of the ones i'm having conversation with.<br /><br />if feminism is women taking control of the world with no thought of others - i'm against it.<br /><br />if feminism is being completely comfortable in my skin as a woman, secure in the love of my Father, and thankful for the rights and equality we all share, purposing to bless and love those around me with my unique womanhood, then i'm for it.heidi johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03158284167747831121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-34922928631190290802009-06-06T05:22:42.501-04:002009-06-06T05:22:42.501-04:00When I read posts like yours, I feel sad because i...When I read posts like yours, I feel sad because it is clear that many Christian women do not understand what TRUE feminism is. If they did, they would never reject the concept. The reality is that the first true feminist was none other than Jesus Christ. And I am of the opinion that people who reject that reality are deceived. <br /><br />I invite you to read:<br /><br />http://www.hopefulspirit.com/2008/06/01/feminism/ and http://www.hopefulspirit.com/2007/10/16/gentleness-not-just-for-women/<br /><br />There is nothing wrong with holding up your life partner in the manner described in the quote. The problem develops when it is a one-way street. Jesus never intended that for women . . . he valued them as no one ever had before his personification of the Divine Creator here on earth.<br /><br />Blessings to you,<br /><br />Hopeful Spirit<br /><a href="http://www.hopefulspirit.com" rel="nofollow">On the Horizon</a>Hopeful Spirithttp://www.hopefulspirit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-53021592048391900692009-05-29T17:37:24.734-04:002009-05-29T17:37:24.734-04:00SarahMae-
You are SO SO SO SO SO on-track and Rock...SarahMae-<br />You are SO SO SO SO SO on-track and Rock (biblically) - Solid!<br /><br />http://visionarydaughters.com/<br />http://www.beautyfromtheheart.org/index.html<br />http://www.solofemininity.blogs.com/<br />http://deuteronomy6five-nine.blogspot.com/<br />http://girltalk.blogs.com/<br /><br />These are some incredibly encouraging sites (blogs) for women to get some like-minded, Biblical womenhood encouragement! they are written for God's glory. (a truly refreshment)<br /><br />gratefully,<br />HveHope (Jackie)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-77699658804095134192009-05-28T21:53:03.661-04:002009-05-28T21:53:03.661-04:00I had to think about this for a couple of days. I...I had to think about this for a couple of days. I'm not sure that I understand exactly what feminism is(or white washed feminism either).<br />I don't want to throw out feminism all together, because I am glad of certain things that it has accomplished-- like giving women the right to vote-- but I think that it has gone to a dangerous extreme now.<br /><br />I have attended church since I was a baby, and the only times I have heard talk of submission is to say that the wives should submit to the husbands. I have never heard any application of what that might possibly mean. I don't know if people are just scared to talk about it, or if I just don't listen very well. :)<br /><br />I think that I see it as allowing my husband to lead and being supportive of the choices he makes. This doesn't mean that I have no input into things, but I am not trying to take control. Now that I have been married for 12 years, I have a better idea what it means. I just wish that I would have known more of these things before I was married! I had so much advice on what my wedding should be like and almost none on what my marriage should be like.<br /><br />Part of what I have realized lately is that I need to have more of a servant's heart. Not just in my marriage, although that is one aspect of it. I have the part of doing things for other people down easily, but I have realized that I also expect something in return. That's missing the point.<br /><br />Just the random thoughts that have been running through my head. Thanks for taking on such a thought provoking topic. :)Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12192064538924964308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-61171793040780865862009-05-27T23:32:25.400-04:002009-05-27T23:32:25.400-04:00At very least, it wasn't meant to be spam! I notic...At very least, it wasn't meant to be spam! I notice on rereading that my comment has a couple of editing errors--in the thesis sentence, no less. <br /><br />My proposition was that the philosophy, the core ideas, of a cause may exist entirely separated from the attitudes that people tend to attach to them. Does that help?Chrsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-78623837978728049952009-05-26T22:54:30.762-04:002009-05-26T22:54:30.762-04:00I always say that my heart is to be my husband's h...I always say that my heart is to be my husband's help meet, to submit to his authority. But I find more often than not that that little "what about what <B>I</B> want?" voice is right there in my head. Of course, that is probably more selfishness and the flesh more than feminism. Looking forward to reading how you address this, anyway!Heathahleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03526348513736437292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-21466141486137175342009-05-26T22:48:33.267-04:002009-05-26T22:48:33.267-04:00Sarah Mae, I thought I was the only one who couldn...Sarah Mae, I thought I was the only one who couldn't understand Chrs's comment! I kept re-reading it because I thought maybe it was spam! LOLRebornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12422130934560539246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-79468096994140654382009-05-26T22:32:18.688-04:002009-05-26T22:32:18.688-04:00Ooooo, I'm looking forward to this! I WAS a hardc...Ooooo, I'm looking forward to this! I WAS a hardcore feminist, raised by an extremely liberal family...and I am always interested in exploring the very subject you are addressing, now that God has opened my eyes!Muthering Heightshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06660310558298459636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-59972566157388511992009-05-26T21:17:21.050-04:002009-05-26T21:17:21.050-04:00Provocative thoughts. First of all, I am a working...Provocative thoughts. First of all, I am a working mom and love it. In fact, I work full time and my husband is a FT stay at home dad. It works for us better than when we both worked and much better than when I stayed home. I was miserable! Our decision has raised a few eyebrows and is admittedly somewhat progressive. It has also been commented that it must make me a Christian feminist. I disagree.<br /><br />By definition feminism is a striving toward equality with men. As a Christian I understand that my husband and I are unequal and dissimilar by design. This unequalness is what keeps the nature of our married relationship in delicate balance. I understand that even though I bring home the check I still live in submission to the authority of God and my husband. Hardly feminist at all. Now, as a disclaimer I will admit that this works so well because my husband is a Godly man who does not abuse his role and lives in service to God and me. <br /><br />Finally I think that there have historically been some practical, legal reasons for feminist organization. I want equal rights and opportunity under the law. But legal precedent has become the least on the list of feminist priorities and that is when I part ways with the "movement". I am very happy with my position in Christ and in our marriage and wouldn't want it any other way.<br /><br />Plus I would never, ever, under any circumstances burn my bra. Those babies are expensive!Nicole Wickhttp://www.nicolenwick.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-42390051453455821292009-05-26T21:01:38.398-04:002009-05-26T21:01:38.398-04:00Anonymous- I don't suppose all women are destined ...Anonymous- I don't suppose all women are destined to be married, or they would be. The should promote the vision of God. If they submit to God's authority, He will lead them.<br /><br />Robin- Yes! Of course you are right - we ALL tend towards feminism because of Eve and the curse - to desire (want to control) our husbands!<br /><br />Chrs- I have no idea what the heck you said. <br /><br />Anne- I cannot wait for the discussion and I am so honored to be a part of it!<br /><br />Sandee - I just love that you love God and are pursuing Him!<br /><br />Heather - you have been hurt, and I can relate. Don't give up!<br /><br />Thank you ALL for the thoughtful comments! I look forward to more discussion!Sarah Maehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15079648125245754566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-14048129545567457912009-05-26T20:45:28.257-04:002009-05-26T20:45:28.257-04:00Excellent post Sarah Mae! I do believe I have a s...Excellent post Sarah Mae! I do believe I have a streak of feminism myself and I struggle with submission. But the Lord helps me to keep improving! I am loving that book myself and I look forward to more on this subject!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06958936771590770427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-26061962243909110432009-05-26T18:43:13.025-04:002009-05-26T18:43:13.025-04:00This is going to be an interesting series! I would...This is going to be an interesting series! I wouldn't characterize my family as feminists, but I do come from a long line of strong willed women. The idea of submitting to any man, for any reason, repulses me. To be honest, reading the beginning quote made my blood start to boil. Yet I am a Christian, and I know the verses that speak of submission, so clearly I am in the wrong. I look forward to what you have to say about this topic that is so difficult for me.Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172636187611286057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-74612311261985326622009-05-26T17:24:53.376-04:002009-05-26T17:24:53.376-04:00i think fighting modern feminism is bigger than we...i think fighting modern feminism is bigger than we normally think. it is such a huge part of the way women are raised and we don't even realize it.<br /><br />i think the concepts of biblical submission {and really any other biblical standard} can appear to be a burden or confining and restrictive. well it is... our flesh wants to fight to do it our own way. but there is such FREEDOM when we do things God's way. there is security and hope and satisfaction and fulfillment and so much more.<br /><br />can't wait to read more of what you have to say!The Peacock Pearlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03344647203957968411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-65581103013753134582009-05-26T16:15:45.096-04:002009-05-26T16:15:45.096-04:00I think you summed this up very well. Feminism DOE...I think you summed this up very well. Feminism DOES have strong and very very deep roots, and the pervasiveness of it into the church today does not make it any easier for a Believer to get away from it and be free from its clutches. <br />Many of the versions of the Bible today also reflect a feminist view, which means that much of what is taught and studied is subtly reinforcing "our rights".<br /><br />God, being a God of order and a God who is the same yesterday, today and forever, has ways we do not understand. Applying the world's ways and those of society and our own understandings may make us feel warm and fuzzy about our rebellion, but it does nothing for the truth of God's Word, and does nothing for us in "Training the younger women to love their husbands and children... so that the Word of God is not brought into disgrace," as is told to older women in Titus chapter 2.<br /><br />May God strengthen you, my friend. May he deliver you and give you HIS Words and HIS meanings so that you may overcome what is contrary to his perfect will for woman.<br /><br />Amanda got me Jennie and Stacey's book for Mother's Day, and I am looking forward to getting through it. I also love Jennie's site, http://ladiesagainstfeminism.com<br /><br />Blessings and Shalom, and you keep seeking him and he will keep leading you...Jacquehttp://trainingdaughtersteachingwives.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-31354404452783683672009-05-26T15:34:59.796-04:002009-05-26T15:34:59.796-04:00I think Feminism appeals to our selfish natures be...I think Feminism appeals to our selfish natures because it glorifies one of our favorite people in life- ourselves! Biblical views of manhood and womanhood require sacrifice- the husband lays down his life for his wife and the wife submits to her husband. Feminism seems freeing on the surface, but at its core it is more binding to follow any mentality that goes against Scripture. True freedom is found in submitting to God's design.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-50441335636030914132009-05-26T15:08:07.102-04:002009-05-26T15:08:07.102-04:00Have I told you lately how much I love your blog??...Have I told you lately how much I love your blog??<br /><br />Thank you for this candid post!! So much truth here!<br /><br />As you said, we are to strive to be like Jesus and HE WAS THE GREATEST SERVANT OF ALL!! The Bible even states this about Jesus, "who being in very nature God did not consider equality with God something to be grasped." (Phil. 2:6)<br /><br />If Jesus didn't seek equality, why do we?!Joyefulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16443282683969037813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-29497457895752055722009-05-26T14:35:39.195-04:002009-05-26T14:35:39.195-04:00I feel it is for freedom Christ has set us free. ...I feel it is for freedom Christ has set us free. And God does not put us in boxes, but in a relationship with Him. Some of our life paths will lead to being a wife and some not. And a relationship with God and a purposeful life is found in both.<br /><br />Being fully surrendered to God will lead us to the life plan He unfolds. And some of those plans can be surprizing and not typical.<br /><br />Before the curse, both man and woman were in relationship with God and each other. Whether single or married, as one poster stated, the relationship with God is paramount.<br /><br />God is not surprized by our current culture, and where it puts many women. "Uncovered" as one person stated. Our Maker is our husband and He is our covering.<br /><br />Speaking as a single mom, I am raising my son's NOT to leave, if they make the commitment of marriage. I am raising my daughters (as well as my sons) to follow God closely, regardless if they marry or not.<br /><br />It is hard, lonely, being single, but it also has opportunities for a greater dependency on God.<br /><br />Our Father is wise...and so vast and has good plans for each of us.Sandeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18234324593027826036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-51497563686633052832009-05-26T14:33:44.390-04:002009-05-26T14:33:44.390-04:00okay, I misspelled believe...okay, I misspelled believe...Kristinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07678572764995793403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-63693021622076118172009-05-26T14:29:15.400-04:002009-05-26T14:29:15.400-04:00I'm glad you brought up this subject. I have ...I'm glad you brought up this subject. I have to admit I do have a little feminist in me. It is hard for me at times to submit to my husband. Sometimes I beleive I have a better answer or better soultion. Someone in one of my bible studies said submitting to our husbands is glorifing God because He has placed my husband's authority over me. Isn't my purpose in life to glorify God? For me, it's realizing this is God's will for me & I can not follow my own desires. I may have to write a post on this...Kristinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07678572764995793403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-15422189862497209422009-05-26T14:05:00.766-04:002009-05-26T14:05:00.766-04:00Love your post! I was raised by a feminist who wa...Love your post! I was raised by a feminist who was fooled into believing that God designed her to be this way. I took up some of her ideals...... In highschool I was the defender of women's rights and debated the subject frequently with 'the feable minded men' (Oh I was so decieved) My plan was to complete medical school and marry a man who didn't mind being second place to my career & would be a stay at home Dad. Praise God I woke up and realized my true calling as a wife/mom/nurturer who married a man who desired to provide for our family! God is so good to turn our pre-conceived notions into a wonderful testimony. When the potter has full control of the clay and WE are pliable, we can become such a beautiful piece of art! However, when we want what we want and chose not to turn our ideals completely to HIM, we chose to limit the masterpiece HE wants to create us to be! Keep on writing!Still Watershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02636422902584889064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-45301310460618374762009-05-26T13:50:26.160-04:002009-05-26T13:50:26.160-04:00It makes me feel good about the decisions I am mak...It makes me feel good about the decisions I am making to be about the Father's business.<br />There is a lot to digest on the feminism issue and the comments about being ness got me thinking.<br />All too often we sit in a grey area in our being ness, so that being something isn't really being, but sitting on a fence. All this is rooted in a failure to commit and put our whole hearts into something.<br />I will choose to commit to Jesus and put my whole heart into becoming the woman, wife and mother he has called me to be!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-29508924274970812482009-05-26T13:39:09.628-04:002009-05-26T13:39:09.628-04:00Don't know exactly what feminism is. All I know is...Don't know exactly what feminism is. All I know is I stay home to take care of my two kids, my wife works—and I'm proud of it.<br /><br />Mike<br /><A HREF="http://somethingaboutparenting.typepad.com" REL="nofollow">http://somethingaboutparenting.typepad.com</A><BR>Twitter: <A HREF="http://twitter.com/AboutParenting" REL="nofollow">AboutParenting</A><BR>Photo ideas? <A HREF="http://www.mikeleonen.com" REL="nofollow">100 Portrait Ideas</A>Mikehttp://somethingaboutparenting.typepad.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-43724322164185242472009-05-26T13:38:08.461-04:002009-05-26T13:38:08.461-04:00I have some thoughts about this, and hopefully wil...I have some thoughts about this, and hopefully will be able to share them in further detail soon on my blog http://whitewashedfeminist.com<br /><br />I have just finished Passionate Housewives, and will be doing a round-table discussion with Stacy McDonald and a few other women who have graciously agreed to participate. <br /><br />Feminism is one of the things I'd like to discuss. I was also raised by a feminist, and have issues with setting aside my own wants and desires and submitting myself. <br /><br />But that said, I'm of the opinion that all feminist ideals do not have to be thrown out with the bathwater. <br /><br />One of our former contributors wrote a great post about the different forms of feminism. <br />http://whitewashedfeminist.com/2008/07/08/many-forms-and-faces-of-feminism-a-mini-lesson/<br /><br />I personally related to first-wave and third world feminism. But not the more radical ideals that I believe try to strip women of what makes them feminine. <br /><br />I have heard that, first-wave feminism especially, are really just Christian ideals. And that's true, or at least it should be. But the sad truth was that, at the time, women really were being treated like property. <br /><br />As we submit to our husbands, so must they submit to God and to the needs of the family whom they lead and care for. And when this second part doesn't happen, women must have some form of recourse, otherwise there is a huge potential for abuse. This is what first-wave feminism corrected, and I'm just fine with identifying myself with those ideals.Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15667772171360379262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-90704442024864967352009-05-26T13:36:56.749-04:002009-05-26T13:36:56.749-04:00I always thought primary distinction of feminism w...I always thought primary distinction of feminism was denying the DIFFERENCES between the sexes. I believe that as created beings, men and women have equal value and worth; however, we have different strengths, weaknesses, and callings (not just collectively as "men" and "women" but also individually).<br /><br />The attitude of feminism is really just one aspect of a broader humanistic worldview that believes each individual is the ultimate decider of his/her own destiny and does not need to submit to, concede to, or consult with any other human or diety.<br /><br />No one, male or female, can live in obedience to God while rebelling against their God-ordained purpose. For many women, their primary God-given purpose is to serve as daughter, mothers, and wives.<br /><br />Unfortunately, in our fallen world filled with sin, there WILL BE women who have neither a husband or father to follow, even though they desire to have such. Does this make them feminists? Not if they are continually submitting their hearts and lives to their Heavenly Father's will! It is an unfortunate situation because it is not God's ideal plan, but I believe that God, in His grace and mercy, will provide a way for these "uncovered" women to live a fulfilling, obedient lifestyle.Rebornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12422130934560539246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5845574752812091685.post-55675856022942668952009-05-26T13:29:00.361-04:002009-05-26T13:29:00.361-04:00I am SO excited for these series! I truly need to ...I am SO excited for these series! I truly need to be reminded daily that I am here on this Earth to be a servant to all (namely God, my husband, and my future children). Thank you for speaking the truth so boldly. As I continue to seek to lose myself, I find myself feeling "scared" as to whether or not I can truly live a life of servanthood. I go back to God's truths and ask him to equip me. I can't do it on my own merit. I too was raised by a feminist (a great one :) and so those feminist thoughts tend to sneak in and produce confusion, which often leads to guilt!<br /><br />Thanks for the encouragement!<br /><br />StephStephaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01008825159948758260noreply@blogger.com